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The ideas and actions of rebranding, removing and merging regiments has become a heated conversation within the community that you can hear at every corner. In all of these conversations, except the management one, you're most likely to find the idea unfavoured and heavily disliked. In all of these conversations, you'll also see/hear the finger pointed at management and specifically, the newest owner of the community, Gusky.

In an age where protests are trending, these movements are nowhere to be found on Imperial Gaming and I struggle to find formal, whole community discussions or suggestions about these changes. If you don't speak up and say anything, the event will probably continue because the people carrying out those actions have not been exposed to the disliking.


So I'm making this post for people to discuss the ideas of merging regiments into one and having different classes. This is primarily based on the 275th legion announcement made in the community update, the removal of the Medical Troopers and if other legions who have been merged are unsatisfied.

As I've only recently come back, I cannot really comment on the situation and am not experiencing such a situation - however, I must say, the Navy is bracing impact. I am putting this up for discussion because the conversation is unavoidable and we should discuss this, I'm sure management will act upon the interests of the community but they cannot do so if they don't know about it.

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I do agree that doing so;

  • Removes individuality of regiments
  • Removes sense of purpose
  • In some cases removes what is basically IG culture/tradition
  • Has no appeal whatsoever
  • Is plain silly'

PLEASE MAKE SOME COMMENTS AND DISCUSS THE IDEA

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Why have you chosen such a shitty font that's hard to read?

 

Look, the legion-building for 501st was fine. To the rest, it was just standardisation. 107th it was done poorly, and 275th is unnecessary.
 

But all in all I kinda like it. It needs to be more specialised for the legions though.

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Sith are cool

Spoiler

 

These changes are questionable and tbh i aint a fan. 

 

You know what Gusky has done, that has been succesfull? 

The New Ranks. 

Why? Because it was discussed with the community. We had an epic forums posts where we had options for what we liked, and came to a successful vote. 

 

The SWRP server just goes after army overhaul after overhaul, we cant settle on 1 system. Hence why people complained, and shit will probs hit the fan. Imma say it here, I give it 3 months before its broken and another type of army battalion is put up.

IMO these legions work for some of them, but not all. 

501st - Yes, it doesnt effect any of the regiments. nothing changed

107th - Sorta, not the best. why would 107th need a HEAVY and a RIOT. Could be done WAY better

439th - Make it ST, ARC , SCOUT 

275th - No, keep it the same

 

Make a Medical Regiment on its own.

 

 

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Yooo who cares?? Add another battalion!!
Kinda random that someone who isn't affected by the changes is the one making a post about this rather than someone who is but w/e everyone's entitled to an opinion so I'm just gonna leave some thoughts below

I think that MT are just getting a name and colour change and aren't actually being removed(?) idk could be wrong and I'm guessing the 275th is being formed into the same structure as the 501st/107th is so that everything is structured the same/are more uniform as well as to make the 275th sub regiments actually look like they're somewhat affiliated with another (Think this is why mud is turning into some orangish ST variant so it kinda matches Sky?). In both the times I was in the 275th I did think it was kind of cooked that we were the only battalion that literally had no regiments which looked alike or really had anything to do with one another, other than being the dono regs. During my time there I had 2 thoughts on it, either remove battalions as a whole (thought they were legit useless esp for something like 275th and made no sense for 1 general to only have to look over 3 regiments as their whole job which just made me think IHC were incapable and useless - even with their responsibility being 3 regiments I still think IHC weren't even capable of handling that and were even more useless than I had originally thought. Obviously my thoughts on IHC haven't changed at all, @JerryJohnsington is hella shit :feelsgoodman:) or at least make it so look like we were actually associated with one another rather than being 3 random regiments mashed together into a battalion. 

The structure works incredible well for the 501st (obviously it should as it's the battalion it made the most sense for) and with the models of the sub-groups now having the same colour/theme it actually feels like it's we're one big regiment rather than being a bunch of random sub-groups that just work under the same name. I honestly think the change could work quite well for the 275th, making the base reg/sky look pretty similar. When I was there, the battalion kinda felt disjointed in the fact that all the regs were just so vastly different from one another and didn't really do too much together in terms of trainings and whatnot so it didn't really feel like we were all parts of one big regiment.  

Imo it's premature to even start complaining about changes before they've even come through and have been experienced by players. There's even a chance that the new changes will come in and Mud will get to keep their current models as a swappable option on Orto/Offship events. Obviously the changes are coming through because of how well it worked in the 501st also probs to make it so everything is structured the same way so it's more uniform and less confusing for some.

2 hours ago, Binny said:

107th - Sorta, not the best. why would 107th need a HEAVY and a RIOT. Could be done WAY better

I don't really understand what's wrong here since 107th already had Heavy and Riot roles before the changes. Basically just added the Shock and Riot Heavy slots together but at least now when someone in the role hits CL3 they can stay rather than having to leave it, it's basically the same as it was before.

2 hours ago, Binny said:

439th - Make it ST, ARC , SCOUT 

Make a Medical Regiment on its own.

Actually had a few ideas on 439th tbh. One of them was to remove ST/MT or both from it and have them act as their own separate entities within the army instead of falling under a battalion. With how the ST zerg has been running around for the past like 3-4 months they could pretty much be their own battalion or something lmao and it could potentially make way for some other different/unique regiments into the 439th. Could also move MT out of the battalion system and have them support all the other regiments as a separate entity and bring in Scout to go along with the STs and ARC and have good ST CO/2ic and ARC serve as the leadership group for the new players that come through the ST system (which is basically what's been happening recently but w/e). Or, you can move both of them out of the battalion system which makes way for 2 other regiments like SCAR and Scout or some shit and turn 439th into a scouting battalion or w/e.

TL:DR Actually experience the changes when they come through before complaining about them since you never know how well they'd actually turn out. The server is ever changing and people are just going to have to live with the fact that not everything is going to stay the same and the changes have a reason behind them. I'm right and you're wrong, thanks for reading my thesis

S/O to Sky though I heard they did get a lil screwed over :feelsbadman:

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I dont know about the management not being exposed to the negative feedback as with the 275th our whole dealings with the only people we could talk to about it being tempest and john, they only repeated to us "I know your not gonna like this but here's the options" so the knowledge that none of us liked any of it was definitely there but was just ignored. We had to make do with picking the least shitty option among what they offered us and were still fairly unhappy with what was being forced upon us, the main reason that we hated the idea was that it seemed they were trying to make us into a 501st clone but just different colored, when they told us what our legion layout was gonna be having infantry, support, heavies that retain mortars and then scout troopers, it felt there was no trying to keep any individuality of the previous regiments but just clone the 501st as it worked well for them, I'm a strong advocate for the try the legion before leaving your reg, but still can not see why these changes keep getting pushed when in my experience with them all of our feedback has been negative. Not to mention the feedback from mud on losing their models which they consider one of the most unique models on the server and were advocating hard to possibly keep mud as the bases reg and work around that.

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If you have complaints or feedback actually communicate it.

/ Talk to IHC, let them know your thoughts, because they aren't psychic.

// It is not managements job to fix roleplay, they are there to adjust evident issues and keep the server running.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Yuri said:

If you have complaints or feedback actually communicate it.

/ Talk to IHC, let them know your thoughts, because they aren't psychic.

// It is not managements job to fix roleplay, they are there to adjust evident issues and keep the server running.

 

 

its not that it isn't communicated as I said we had contact with john who then relayed to tempest and once they had decided what the plan was tempest came to tell us himself not much that could be changed at that point though

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Change can be either good or bad depending on your beliefs and point of view. Before the 107th was a legion everyone seemed distant and out of touch. Whilst individuality was there, communication and unity wasn't. Now that we're a legion some might think that specific roles are unnecessary or regiments, now newly reformed as squads, have lost their individuality. I like to think otherwise. Heavy and Support focus on their roles to supply medical aide and ammunition to other troopers, Riot focuses on being the shield we need to push forward, and Honour Guard help to protect the members of IHC. Before the change Nova and Riot were distant and shut themselves off from the rest of the Battalion. Communication was severely lacking. Becoming a legion helped my boys unite under one banner again. I know that not everyone wishes to be a legion and that's understandable, but when it comes to my legion and its wellbeing that's for me to handle and worry about. Others might not agree on how I lead or treat my troopers, but that's their opinion. I lead how I see fit, I help my troopers when I need to, and I tweak the structure of the 107th when it benefits us as a whole. Complain about your own changes because I honestly don't see a need for anyone outside of the 107th to put their nose where it don't belong.

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This reminds me of that time we pulled out of Afghanistan cause like protest or something 

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Army needs to improve on their collaboration and team skills. I may be bias but, I believe Navy is a great example of collaboration. We are basically setup like a legion, we have 3 totally different regiments with individual Commanding Officers and 2 Naval High Command members. I think one of the reasons Navy is so successful is the sense of community within it, we are often interacting with each other, sharing spaces, we have great teamspeak and discord involvement and cheer eachother on. It's also about being open, we have great 'cross-commanding', we allow superiors of our other regiments to give commands and guide other regiments.

AHC should try to guide their regiments and commanding officers to work in this way, setup their legions in this way and have this sort of whole legion involvement.

(Kind of in response to some points in the responses of @Vadrian and @RickyRoyal)

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Application includes sufficient detail and various reasoning for the first half

User is well known and mature

Overall, I recommend working more on your wording to receive better positive/negative feedback

Good luck with the rest of your application 

 

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14 minutes ago, Curly said:

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Application includes sufficient detail and various reasoning for the first half

User is well known and mature

Overall, I recommend working more on your wording to receive better positive/negative feedback

Good luck with the rest of your application 

 

curly

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Hot take

 

just wait and see :l

hopefully this will decrease the mortar friendly fire rate

 

I hate how people are over reacting to something that aint even been added yet. Seriously, just wait

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23 hours ago, PapaMT said:

I dont know about the management not being exposed to the negative feedback as with the 275th our whole dealings with the only people we could talk to about it being tempest and john, they only repeated to us "I know your not gonna like this but here's the options" so the knowledge that none of us liked any of it was definitely there but was just ignored. We had to make do with picking the least shitty option among what they offered us and were still fairly unhappy with what was being forced upon us, the main reason that we hated the idea was that it seemed they were trying to make us into a 501st clone but just different colored, when they told us what our legion layout was gonna be having infantry, support, heavies that retain mortars and then scout troopers, it felt there was no trying to keep any individuality of the previous regiments but just clone the 501st as it worked well for them, I'm a strong advocate for the try the legion before leaving your reg, but still can not see why these changes keep getting pushed when in my experience with them all of our feedback has been negative. Not to mention the feedback from mud on losing their models which they consider one of the most unique models on the server and were advocating hard to possibly keep mud as the bases reg and work around that.

My opinion is that the legion structure has a lot more potential than the old, but it’s really up to the 275th to come up with something that works well for them rather than sticking to an exact template - even in the 501st heavies aren’t doing too well so we’re looking at how we can fix that up.

I would recommend the 275th try to come up with a proposal for what roles they want, and either present that before the restructure or try out the template for a couple weeks first to get a feel for the new structure.

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DOn't force all of army into one template and call it a fix, Because that way, There'll always be a superior regiment instead of them working in different areas

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5 hours ago, FireCup said:

My opinion is that the legion structure has a lot more potential than the old, but it’s really up to the 275th to come up with something that works well for them rather than sticking to an exact template - even in the 501st heavies aren’t doing too well so we’re looking at how we can fix that up.

I would recommend the 275th try to come up with a proposal for what roles they want, and either present that before the restructure or try out the template for a couple weeks first to get a feel for the new structure.

Yeah we sort of done that already, we put forward a 212th idea and thats been made to focus on mobility so sort of a QRF type legion, we weren't entirely happy with how its come out but the heavies get to keep the mortars so that a slight reconciliation for mud and we're currently trying to put forward a different idea for the scout troopers to better fit with how we would see the legion going

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