Jump to content

Serious Roleplay, Do you actually prefer it?


Do you prefer Serious Roleplay? Or semi-serious Alternatives? Please read the post before voting.  

63 members have voted

  1. 1. Serious RP or Semi Serious?

    • Serious RP
      40
    • Semi-Serious
      23


Recommended Posts

Hello IG, it's Jay Lamar here with another one of his complaining posts. However, this time it is different. After recent discussions with certain members of the community and recent forum posts I wondered to myself the title of the post. Now I know the answer for some people but I can't say for absolute sure which side has the majority. Below I have written up some pros and cons for either side of the arguments. Obviously, I have my bias but I have tried to think of as many pros and cons for both argument for the sake of fairness in this post. If you have disagreements with what I have said or think they could be tweaked I am interested in hearing what you have to say.

I please ask that you read the entire post before voting.

A bit of background about myself to explain why I am writing this and you don't think I am some old jaded player who looks back at the good ol days with rose tinted glasses, skip this if you don't care. I have been playing SWRP since 2015. I initially joined Poseidon Clone War RP and was trained by @Cracked, one of IG's developers now. I joined IG around late 2016 to steal ideas to bring back to Poseidon, I know how shameful but it truly was the best server to play on at the time. When Poseidon died due to poor upper management I fully switched to IG and enjoyed a swathe of different regiments. I've done it all, Military, Navy, Sith, ISB, DT, Shock, RST, Medics, IHC and all access, even Jedi High Councillor on IG's clone wars. I've spent a lot of great time on this server, making new friends, learning about SW, and experiencing things you can't really do in any other medium. I bring all this up to say that I truly am invested in the longevity of this server, I don't want to see it falter. Even though I don't play as much as I used too I still stay up to date on what's happening just in case I feel the urge to return once again. Thanks for reading that if you did, on to the important  bullshit.

What is Serious-RP
Serious RP is the idea that every player should be striving to be in character and following the rules at all times. It assumes that nothing will happen out of character in all RP situations (Bugs/glitches/lag aside.)
This is the form the server currently takes and it has worked in the past for quite some time. But all things change with time, the server has seen about 2 cycles of management and a new owner. Old players have left and new players have taken their place.

What is Semi-Serious-RP
Semi-Serious RP is the idea that not all situations need to be taken seriously at all times. Certain areas such as bunks, the mess hall and unused areas of the ship were seen as more relaxed areas where players could mess around a little bit. However, any RP situations were still to be acted in character. This setup allows players to enjoy themselves more during downtime of the server where there may be less RP happening that involves them. I would also say this allows more flexible RP situations as you can try more experimental ideas for your RP. (Rebel RP, insane stormtrooper, Chef RP, stealing, a lot of what the engineers do no offence.) These may seem mingy at first glance but I know many experienced roleplayers who have dabbled with these ideas and when done right can bring lots of enjoyment and content for large groups of people.

Lore Friendliness
While not explicitly tied to either type of RP, Lore friendliness is usually tied to Serious RP for obvious reasons. The pitch for making things more lore friendly is great in theory however, it has led to major downsides on the server in my experience. The more we lean to the actual lore of Star Wars the less this game becomes well a game and the more it becomes a job simulator. Immersion is great and all but there needs to be actual reasons to play this game. If all I wanted to do was be immersed in star wars lore I could go read the comics, watch the movies or watch star wars theories on youtube. In the end I think most players just want to be a part of star wars but in a fun way, turns out the star wars universe isn't that fun for your average stormtrooper.

Some other examples of Lore Friendliness that I find to be counter productive to fun on the server.

-Military were not used that often in the Empire's rule, majority of the regiments specialize in large battles with heavy equipment but in lore we would be fighting small bands of rebels at most.
-Bounty Hunters in Lore would probably not off random storm troopers but what else are they going to do?
-ISB having a huge swathe of power in the lore leads to them being powerhouses on the server that can do whatever they want in the name of security.
-Certain weapons being vastly more powerful than others makes sense but dampens any kind of inter-regiment competitiveness as player skill becomes less important and what equipment you have decides most battles.
-Stormtroopers questioned authority all the time in the Empire, what they were doing is insane but doing any of that on the server is met with severe punishments.
-Speaking of severe punishments, sure it makes sense to want to stop people from doing certain things but this is a game in the end. No one wants to sit in a jail cell for 30 minutes+ like they've been put in the naughty corner in primary school. New players tend to break rules before learning how to RP and I guarantee players that could've been long time players were turned off by this. (Justice for mono over 2+ hours in an ISB holding cell for a crime he didnt commit, never forget.)

Serious RP
Pros
-Maximum Immersiveness in the Star Wars world and its lore.
-The ability to fully take on the role of someone from the Star Wars Universe and interact with others doing the same.
-A consistent (Usually) set of characters that can role play with each other long and short term.

-More engaging events that tie into the Lore of Star Wars.
-You can rely on most players to participate in RP at any given time.


Cons
-Severe punishments for breaking roleplay (30 minute+ jail times, re-education.)
-Serious RP tends to favour certain regiments over others as they are favoured in the lore (ISB)
-No flexibility in characters or RP, you must be a stormtrooper who follows the rules.

-Serious RP shuts down any friendly community activities amongst members if it is not within roleplay (Disco Nights, parties, poker tournaments.)
-One sided roleplay (If you do not wish to participate in certain RP you have no choice in the matter.)
-Certain roles and regiments cannot fulfil their role as in Serious RP it would make no sense. (Bounty Hunters)
-Certain regiments have difficulty finding players as their core role is potentially boring. (Imperial Guard, other guarding regiments.)


Semi-Serious RP
Pros
-More opportunities to have fun in or out of RP with fellow members of the community
-Less strict punishments gives a chance for players to try different kinds of rp without worrying to much about the punishments
-Downtime becomes less of an issue as players can more easily find ways to entertain themselves.
-Less of a cutthroat attitude as regiments/branches will no longer be out to get each other in RP as much.
-More events that play on the wackier side of Star Wars for a change of pace.
-Being able to opt out of RP that you do not find fun.


Cons
-Less Immersive and Rp can be broken more easily.

-Gives more of an excuse to mingy players to break the rules.
-For players who enjoy document RP it may lose some of its usefulness.
-Certain regiments may lose some of their RP as players will not be serious at all times.
-Players may not want to involve themselves with your RP.


One Sided RP and my disdain for ISB and regiments like it
If it wasn't clear enough I obviously have a certain dislike for a certain Bureau on IG. But I would like to share my reason for it and explain something I like to call "One Sided RP." Essentially I find that a lot of the roles and responsibilities that ISB currently have tend to be roleplay that is only enjoyable for one party, that being ISB. For example ID checking, this roleplay does nothing for the person being inspected except shows that ISB has power over them and there is nothing you can do about it. Most times we are aboard an ISD travelling through space for weeks, there is almost no reason to suspect a trooper of having a false ID.

Another example, Interrogation RP. Some people enjoy this I do admit but I would say a large majority do not. This type of RP is usually not optional and leads to ISB employing tactics that make it unfun or unfair to the recipient (Leaving them in cells for long durations of time, threatening ooc punishments, forcing them to do mind numbing tasks. Using unbeatable truth Serum) The problem worsens when you have committed no crime or even worse yet, you are a rebel EC. The amount of times I have prayed that I do not get captured as an EC is immense as having to endure the latest ISB agent try his new british accent on me is a nightmare.

Roleplay is a two way street, both parties need to be having fun or atleast have turns in the dominant RP position. Why would I play this game if I had no choices in anything. I bring this all up as the current state of ISB is a side effect of Serious RP and the pushing of lore friendliness. I hope that if only one thing could be changed as a result of this post it would be that ISB would learn that you are rping with other human beings and not test subjects.

Final Notes
Whether you prefer Serious RP or the alternatives I hope that this post can bring discussion between the two different opinions so that we may better the server as a whole. 

  • Downvote 2
  • Upvote 7
Link to post
Share on other sites

I spoke on this a little bit in the specialist equipment post, and honestly, I think that both can work hand in hand with each other like they did back during what people call "IG's golden era". As stated then, people used to fuck around all the time and no one would bat an eye as long as it wasn't directly breaking metagaming/severe FailRP rules. Some great examples that just about everyone can look back on with relative fondness are, Wolf's one shot fists, Whitey's shotgun of fuckin doom, Martibo's duel bladed rainbow corrupted lightsaber that would disintegrate the target upon death, as well as his JHK tryouts, JMan placing explosives under someone's building on Naboo, Axx's fuckin funny moments videos, Goku PACs, Fliqqs ACTION COMMANDOS, no one can tell me they hated the action commandos.
 I mean, come on, you can't tell me that your favourite memory on the Server was alt walking around the ISD and not talking to anyone, or sitting at a desk and writing reports. You know that these times that I'm going to show you below were the best times on the Server because they broke up the monotonous "Yes sir, no worries sir."

Serious RP has its place on the Server, so does semi-serious RP, I'm never going to chance some of your minds, but people look back on these times on the Server with rose tinted glasses and go "Yep, perfect RP back then, great standard." whereas it was quite the opposite, everyone was enjoying themselves with their funny RP, and those who wanted to RP seriously were given the place and time to.

I am now going to hit you with a wave of nostalgia, and if you weren't around for these, you'll finally understand what people are talking about when they reference IG's golden age. Thank you for listening.

T5mVuRH.png(Big baby need his din dins)
q5CkypO.png(CFP and the green screen room)
wnNjALJ.jpg(Even JMan wasn't completely serious back in the day)
TLakwGW.jpg
fapdo2f.jpg
df9Ih8X.png
?imw=1024&imh=640&ima=fit&impolicy=Lette

  • Poggers 4
  • Upvote 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

i was just writing a big post but then i saw baileys and said fuck it he summed it up pretty well. also rimmins speech on sith news still gives me goosebumps it was so fucking good haha

Link to post
Share on other sites

in my opinion 

Semi Serious rp is the way to go.

  • I like roleplaying on this server, it's very good when you have a good interaction with another person that makes you feel like you actually got something done that was rewarding and made you have fun. But there has to be a line at minging and too Serious. 
  • There needs to be a line drawn in Punishment the banning of specialist equipment for the reactor being attacked and causing a crash, The people who caused it should be punished and they should receive heavy repercussions for their actions, IMO I can see the banning of Explosives ship wide being good but not the rest of the equipment. A realistic punishment, showing how the actions of the few can cause repercussions for the many. 
  • A lot of people on this server either act serious sometimes or other times, which is bad, it should be a relaxed rp with people not trying to grab at each others necks with knives, people just wanting to assort their God complex or just people literally abusing people and minging. 
  • A main issue that I see around this server is, "people don't get punished enough for their actions!" "People get punished so much!" Which is stupid, you do something stupid, and you get punished for it, it's as simple as that.

idk if this is a bad take, but it's my take

  • Upvote 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Bailey said:

 

I am now going to hit you with a wave of nostalgia, and if you weren't around for these, you'll finally understand what people are talking about when they reference IG's golden age. Thank you for listening.

 

Logged back in just to comment at seeing this, that was a seriously fun vid to edit and work with the old sith lads on 

Since I'm not an active member anymore, I'm not gonna say much other than that most of my media content was from the "semi-serious rp" moments. Before evo rolled around as budget Space Marines and purging/hating all xenos, it was more or less on the edge of removal despite their great loadout. Might not have been "serious rp", but it was rp that extended evo's duration, led to funny moments and brought in members. RP overall and in most scenarios just needs to be more creative so it opens up opportunities for everyone

With that note, I continue my wh40k x Star Wars crusade with a vid I made a bit back before dippin

 

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

serious RP is the wave but you feel hella sweaty afterwards.

I like having fun so I RP like a dumb cunt you know your fellow tradie and all that since I'm an engineer

but sometimes people really do be taking shit too seriously, yeah I get it you came to a serious RP server and wanted that experience that's valid but don't take it too seriously its just GMOD its not going to affect your life.

People need to realise that you're not actually a high rank in real life so stop acting all high and mighty all the time, shit pisses me off when they use and abuse their powers on lower ranking individuals (I'm not going to point out any individuals cause no beef all love). But all in all just have fun don't take it too seriously cause its really not that deep its just a game.

1 hour ago, Delta said:
  • A lot of people on this server either act serious sometimes or other times, which is bad, it should be a relaxed rp with people not trying to grab at each others necks with knives, people just wanting to assort their God complex or just people literally abusing people and minging. 
  • A main issue that I see around this server is, "people don't get punished enough for their actions!" "People get punished so much!" Which is stupid, you do something stupid, and you get punished for it, it's as simple as that.

Completely agree with Delta

Edited by Jozo
added some more stuff in :)
  • Confused 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm still relatively new to the community, compared to some people who've been playing since as far back as 2016 or 2017 era IG. I'm sure a lot of people are aware that I frequently am not the most serious in RP. That said, I'd still have to go for Serious RP every time over semi-serious RP. You can still have non-serious RP moments on a serious RP server. It's just that depending on what you're doing in regards to that RP you should be prepared to face punishment. Nothing in my books will ever beat the classical example of a group minging and then have an All Access or some security regiment busting in on what you're doing. The risk of being caught makes it fun in my opinion. 

One of the fonder memories I have on IG is of Vader walking into one of the Inquisitorius' regular group therapy sessions and being fucking furious about it. Stuff like that is genuinely enjoyable. When I first played on the server for a few weeks back in 2019, I absolutely was at the ass end of a lot of things. I was re-educated at the drop of a hat as a VF member because I said "theoretically the emperor must have really hated clones since he just kept on sending them to die after the clone wars." I was also AOS'd and arrested simply for crouch walking in the presence of the Emperor as well.

Serious RP to me isn't everyone being fully serious all the time, but it is having those constraints in place where people can and will be punished for breaking serious RP if caught. Can certain groups be harsh sometimes on the server when it comes to punishment? Absolutely! But you also have to consider that PK's (at least from everyone from the old era of IG that I've talked to) used to be a dime a dozen. Mess up in the wrong persons presence and you'd find yourself in the base regiment in no time. I don't think that it's necessary to be that zealous when it comes to enforcing serious RP, but real consequences should exist so that the game is more than just "VR Chat Star Wars Edition" until it hits event slot times.

8 hours ago, Jay Lamar said:

-Military were not used that often in the Empire's rule, majority of the regiments specialize in large battles with heavy equipment but in lore we would be fighting small bands of rebels at most.

I absolutely agree with this point however, it's somewhat difficult to try and fully express how limited it can sometimes feel as an EM especially when it comes to space battles because of how piss weak the alliance fleet was at the time.

Despite not really even liking star wars that much, I think we should strive for using as much logic from within the star wars universe as possible. I've got a long list of things that I'd love to see changed to become more "realistic" because I think that it makes things more interesting (all be it that most people absolutely hate some of these ideas). Stuff like capping all officer regiments like ISB, Navy, II ETC at 100 health across all ranks because they don't have armour, increasing damage across the board for weapons as well to make them deadlier, making heavy weapons extremely powerful and also having them lower your speed and such... Things like that.

Initially when writing this post I was 100% for Serious RP, and I still am to an extent. However, while I was looking through my screenshot folder to try and make a point (photos attached below) which has almost 8k screenshots as of writing, I noticed that for every two serious moments, there was like one "semi-serious" moment mixed in. To really rephrase what I believe is optimal for the server, I believe that we should continue to uphold a Serious RP framework that allows for Semi-Serious RP to occur however in a fashion that doesn't make engaging in semi-serious RP completely risk free.

Below is a collection of screenshots that I've taken from my time on the server. Some serious, some semi-serious, but all moments which I was either engaged in or enjoying.

Spoiler

image.png.9a744e6eed8d115b70e3557ed425bd62.pngimage.png.599ed9735f35ce4c163184213dc70f2c.pngimage.png.06873ce28ab58769419309c7268ad78e.pngimage.png.4cb1ce9cff720aa56e3a2ac58d9514c5.pngimage.png.764f88e6fe02e1f14e1f57e6407e9fe9.pngimage.png.d0ff0281408eb9b668dc9bc87be6790a.pngimage.png.968f40f45835a0ddddd3de395bd072dd.pngimage.png.e4b8df8fa8226c765ee91dda4f197d0b.pngimage.png.d5f9b76378e1954b26f118531df1eee1.pngimage.png.f48793066207402df5fbf548f02f876d.pngimage.png.4760f2c4b4fe47edffa14bca9f8010a0.pngimage.png.380c75a6607d9e2626f1a352a15f17d3.pngimage.png.088e95851e8c931c34a9ea9528ddcab5.pngimage.png.8b603f85414e48dc6d4b9c36dd5d381c.pngimage.png.23d3b968e4c4ae768c60edc69834d61f.pngimage.png.3d01f4f48b38b639644f48ceaf82a259.pngimage.png.2de441f4897704ddd6dc083fb60807eb.png20210416215149_1.jpg.efd509b48149f58b08e8facd52b8b249.jpg20210416215238_1.jpg.3a05e0d2117c4c995d2278c984dc9fef.jpgimage.png.e8766b187a8f385d20bccef0d1be2975.pngimage.png.b0f91ddb28e8c86b28b9a69a7f71cce8.pngimage.png.82deaf38658a870cc489d9eed9b4ed79.pngimage.png.b4a7c2bf791389e53a9bd5db7d9469e1.png

Edit: I reread the post and I wanted to quickly touch on the stuff about interrogation and COMPNOR/ISB. 

8 hours ago, Jay Lamar said:

Another example, Interrogation RP. Some people enjoy this I do admit but I would say a large majority do not. This type of RP is usually not optional and leads to ISB employing tactics that make it unfun or unfair to the recipient (Leaving them in cells for long durations of time, threatening ooc punishments, forcing them to do mind numbing tasks. Using unbeatable truth Serum) The problem worsens when you have committed no crime or even worse yet, you are a rebel EC. The amount of times I have prayed that I do not get captured as an EC is immense as having to endure the latest ISB agent try his new british accent on me is a nightmare.

As an EM I'm often forced to confront EC's being captured and such. Nothing in my opinion is more infuriating than an EC being captured early on in an event and then being dragged to the brig or compnor or where ever. I fully understand why people despise being captured an interrogated after having experienced it from all sides of the isle. While I haven't been in ISB for ages, I can also confidently say that the outrage about the admittedly bullshit truth serum was absolutely justified. Initially I believe the truth serum which you and the rest of sky encountered during a specific time on the server was cintended to be implemented in a different way although it ended up devolving into /me injects truth serum. It removed basically any agency and was used before even calling in an inquisitor or anything. Lucky from what I know, that "interrogation meta" has basically disappeared.

I understand that a lot of the opinions on RP are coming from quite a while ago, during either your time as shadow or sky, but I'd think you'd be surprised with how much the servers changed in a few months as it at least felt to me that those periods of the server had a lot more branch conflict and animosity. 

Edited by yeff
  • Upvote 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, yeff said:

I understand that a lot of the opinions on RP are coming from quite a while ago, during either your time as shadow or sky, but I'd think you'd be surprised with how much the servers changed in a few months as it at least felt to me that those periods of the server had a lot more branch conflict and animosity. 

It is nice to see a refreshing opinion about this whole topic that isn't just "Serious RP is in the title of the server." I think if I am reading correctly Yeff that we actually both enjoy the same parts of the server (A mix of serious RP but with some minging on the side.) I think there is a perfect balance to how much RP you can have on the server but I have always found that Serious RP often restricts some players ability to have fun on the server.

Right now if the server was changed to semi-serious I doubt much would change, the serious players would be serious and the less than serious players would do their own thing. Obviously not everyone reads the forums but there is still a large portion of people who prefer Semi-Serious. I imagine these are majority military players who just like the group atmosphere of regiments and enjoying working together as a team to fight off rebels or what not during an infinite different types of events. These types I doubt are always in hardcore RP mode at all times and just want to mess around to pass the time while waiting for their CO or an event.

It is hard to accomodate for both groups of people and I don't think there is an optimal solution for this problem I just hope that both groups of people can be more understanding towards eachother regardless whether it's serious or Semi-Serious. 

  • Agree 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

I figured I might as well put my two cents in. As it stands on the server, the server is classified as Serious RP. Being the newfound  Commander of ISB I realize that a lot of individuals do not like COMPNOR. In the past, COMPNOR have acted on what I believe more petty charges. The purpose of the ISB is to enforce Imperial rule. The way I see the server currently is the fact that there is little to no actual RP happening. People frequently go "Out of character x"; I am not saying that I am not guilty of doing this and I believe management in the past has attempted to crack down on that sort of talk. There will still be in character punishments for people not adhering to the rules aboard the ISD however I am actively attempting to create a better image for COMPNOR so that they aren't seen as bullies.
 

13 hours ago, Jay Lamar said:


Another example, Interrogation RP. Some people enjoy this I do admit but I would say a large majority do not. This type of RP is usually not optional and leads to ISB employing tactics that make it unfun or unfair to the recipient (Leaving them in cells for long durations of time, threatening ooc punishments, forcing them to do mind numbing tasks. Using unbeatable truth Serum) The problem worsens when you have committed no crime or even worse yet, you are a rebel EC. The amount of times I have prayed that I do not get captured as an EC is immense as having to endure the latest ISB agent try his new british accent on me is a nightmare.
 

As someone who may not be active on the server @Jay Lamar , it might not be known to you, but Truth serum has been banned for a while. Interrogation RP should not be about threatening anyone OOC; I cannot think of a single time since I have rejoined ISB that we have threatened someone with OOC punishments? Being captured as an EC is not fun, this is why we have also started to release ECs captured at the beginning of an event and leave all RP for the end. Player enjoyment should go both ways.

At the end of the day, this is a Garry's Mod server, however, it is also a serious RP server, actions taken in game should have in character punishments. ISB as a whole will be adapted to consider other player's experiences in the future and I am hoping that the community will start to take notice to these changes that we are attempting.

Edit: Yeff's response sums up a good idea of what it should be.

Edited by Ragnar
  • Shocked 1
  • Upvote 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

Role play is limited.
And serious role play is primarily only used in rare interactions with characters and punishments.

With events being more of a PvP FPS fun battles with event characters it makes it near impossible to replicate things like actual star wars scenes and overall Gmod physics.

Serious can only be serious to an extent with gmod

and not to throw shade at event characters but there has been many and i mean MANY Scenarios where people have decided to use their hundreds of hp because of numbers to jump past multiple people and break fear RP

The only ever Fear RP i ever see is the stupid scenarios where high value targets always get captured with shitty role play that followed behind it.

i rarely ever see proper role play behind a generals capture and 80% of the time it will just be someone looking away and cuffing them from behind without them knowing.

I get that EC's give higher health to compete due to numbers but then it get to the point where some abuse it by running through sith or jumping through hallways of firing guns to kill things such as medics or generals or someone in their regiment.

Edited by Strix
Link to post
Share on other sites

I’ve already commented but I’d like to thank everyone who has commented on this so far, very constructive and well thought out posts from everyone involved, thank you :)

  • Like 1
  • Thinking 1
  • Upvote 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, Ragnar said:

I figured I might as well put my two cents in. As it stands on the server, the server is classified as Serious RP. Being the newfound  Commander of ISB I realize that a lot of individuals do not like COMPNOR. In the past, COMPNOR have acted on what I believe more petty charges. The purpose of the ISB is to enforce Imperial rule. The way I see the server currently is the fact that there is little to no actual RP happening. People frequently go "Out of character x"; I am not saying that I am not guilty of doing this and I believe management in the past has attempted to crack down on that sort of talk. There will still be in character punishments for people not adhering to the rules aboard the ISD however I am actively attempting to create a better image for COMPNOR so that they aren't seen as bullies.
 

 

I must say Ragnar all my interactions with you when I was on the server were quite pleasant. I'm glad to see that you are looking into improving the image of COMPNOR. I'm looking forward to see what you can do with the regiment. If there was anyone who could do it, it would be a friendly guy like yourself.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Oh god, here I go again.

Hello Jay, I can't say I agree with your initial post, but this may just be my opinion and I'll try my best to convey my perspective on things.
I'll by highlighting and organising some of the points in an attempt to make things more readable. Also I apologise for any repetitiveness. 

TL:DR (Serious / Semi Serious Roleplay)
I don't believe a change is even necessary, imo. the seriousness of Roleplay can and has been pretty lax at times either by time of day (player count), location or situation, It all comes down to being able to decide whether your actions or the actions of others is exceeding a limit where it's not strict, or even roleplay but the intent of ruining other players experience. This usually tends to happen when certain server rules are broken.

Serious, Semi-Serious Roleplay & Lore Friendliness

Spoiler

 

20 hours ago, Jay Lamar said:

What is Semi-Serious-RP
Semi-Serious RP is the idea that not all situations need to be taken seriously at all times. (1.a) Certain areas such as bunks, the mess hall and unused areas of the ship were seen as more relaxed areas where players could mess around a little bit. However, any RP situations were still to be acted in character. (1.b) This setup allows players to enjoy themselves more during downtime of the server where there may be less RP happening that involves them(1.c) I would also say this allows more flexible RP situations as you can try more experimental ideas for your RP. (Rebel RP, insane stormtrooper, Chef RP, stealing, a lot of what the engineers do no offence.) (1.d) These may seem mingy at first glance but I know many experienced roleplayers who have dabbled with these ideas and when done right can bring lots of enjoyment and content for large groups of people.

1.a ) Areas such as the Mess Hall and personal/regimental quarters can be very lax in roleplay, excluding the arcade of course. The time when those areas change from a laxed roleplay area to serious roleplay is when a situation arises or some other regiment is or will be conducting roleplay in that area. For instance, bunk inspections or players attending to the mess hall for roleplay.

1.b ) Agreeable that there will be times where doing the usual responsibilities or activities such as training or tryouts can become a bit boring and some messing around occurs. Sometimes this occurs at the holo table, bunks, mess hall or basically anywhere. Though it is entirely situational on what is said or done when messing around, there is a line to be drawn when it comes to such in-character behavior. For instance someone would probably insult another member of their own regiment and vice-versa, and more often than not, depending on relations between them, no punishment will come of it, but if you have two troopers in a bunk insulting someone and they are caught doing so, punishment will more than likely occur.

1.c ) I don't agree with you here, it seems like you are implying that only a semi-serious rp server can have genuinely good, corrupt or rebel roleplay, which is simply not the case. There have been many instances where someone has done genuinely good corrupt or rebel roleplay, which doesn't violate any server rules. Obviously for those who do attempt rebel roleplay, they understand that there is a risk element to doing such roleplay and if caught, they will receive punishment for their actions. However, there have been times, where an individual has come to ISB and proposed doing some sort of shady or even straight out treasonous roleplay, where both sides enjoy the experience of hide, detective & investigative work to catch the criminal. These instances the individual knows and accepts the consequences, but then again, at times due to the forthcoming proposal of the idea, the individual most times only receives at worst a Name PK.

1.d) I wouldn't really classify any of the previous point as being "mingey", it ultimately comes down to what it is that is actually done. If someone did roleplay in a manner that can be treated as serious and not just generally violating server rules. The concept of roleplay being mingey is if its taking other players out of the experience or immersion. An example of such would be individuals who continuously run into restricted areas, such as repeatedly running into the Throne room just because they are able to. Doing so after a long period of time is one thing, but continuously coming back to basically break the NLR guideline or to annoy others would be classified as "mingey".
Let's be real, we're not expecting some random trooper to magically steal the plans to the death star then disappear to Yavin 4 and alert the rebels that of the Empire's secrets. There would need to be actual roleplay to even remotely bring in the believability aspect, even then that example out right breaks lore. It's something that wouldn't be possible to achieve without breaking roleplay and lore.

 

20 hours ago, Jay Lamar said:

Lore Friendliness
While not explicitly tied to either type of RP, Lore friendliness is usually tied to Serious RP for obvious reasons. (2.a) The pitch for making things more lore friendly is great in theory however, it has led to major downsides on the server in my experience. (2.b) The more we lean to the actual lore of Star Wars the less this game becomes well a game and the more it becomes a job simulator. (2.c) Immersion is great and all but there needs to be actual reasons to play this game. If all I wanted to do was be immersed in star wars lore I could go read the comics, watch the movies or watch star wars theories on youtube. In the end I think most players just want to be a part of star wars but in a fun way, turns out the star wars universe isn't that fun for your average stormtrooper.

 

2.a) The server doesn't exactly follow lore 1:1 which is fine, it allows people to explore their creativity, pick a regiment of out of the wide variety and EM's to generate their own powerful factions or develop stories for the community to enjoy. In fact there are many elements which if followed 1:1 would set upon complete unbalance, or just ruin certain regiments such as Imperial Guard and would have regiments that shouldn't exist, removed. For instance, Inquisitorius & Purge Troopers, as both of those organisations would be dissolved as they're meant to be dead. Certain regiments wouldn't be permitted to roleplay as a Clone due to their age. Generally a lot of regiments would just disappear, people wouldn't be able to create unique and creative pac3's without violating actual imperial protocols. Such as painting armour and establishing "individuality", much like how after the Clone Wars, clones basically had to remove or were no longer permitted to display unique characteristics on their person.

2.b) Players tend to join roleplay communities to roleplay, to experience themselves in an immersive environment and have fun while doing so. There can and has been laxed times with the serious state of roleplay, and the state in which we follow Lore, canon or legends doesn't have a negative impact on the community, at least in my opinion anyways. If people do see an issue with the way things are lore friendly, I recommend conveying your point with the issue and providing reasonings behind why this should change, and if the issues affect others, provide examples to backup ones own proposed change.

2.c) People tend to find enjoyment out of roleplay, or the enjoyment that comes from the community surrounding something, contributing towards the development of an immersive experience and friendly and welcoming community.

 

20 hours ago, Jay Lamar said:

Some other examples of Lore Friendliness that I find to be counter productive to fun on the server.

3.a) -Military were not used that often in the Empire's rule, majority of the regiments specialize in large battles with heavy equipment but in lore we would be fighting small bands of rebels at most.
3.b)-Bounty Hunters in Lore would probably not off random storm troopers but what else are they going to do?
3.c)-ISB having a huge swathe of power in the lore leads to them being powerhouses on the server that can do whatever they want in the name of security.
3.d)-Certain weapons being vastly more powerful than others makes sense but dampens any kind of inter-regiment competitiveness as player skill becomes less important and what equipment you have decides most battles.
3.e)-Stormtroopers questioned authority all the time in the Empire, what they were doing is insane but doing any of that on the server is met with severe punishments.
3.f)-Speaking of severe punishments, sure it makes sense to want to stop people from doing certain things but this is a game in the end. No one wants to sit in a jail cell for 30 minutes+ like they've been put in the naughty corner in primary school. New players tend to break rules before learning how to RP and I guarantee players that could've been long time players were turned off by this. 

3.g) (Justice for mono over 2+ hours in an ISB holding cell for a crime he didnt commit, never forget.)


I'm not exactly sure what points you are trying to make in this segment. The heading says that its counter productive to fun on the server, but you have sections like 3.a & 3.b which seems to be contradictory to the heading.

3.a) Correct, in lore the Military (depending on location or assignment) wouldn't be seeing much activity, and most ships wouldn't be seeing such a large variety of personnel with different specialties or equipment. Just be standard stormtrooper roleplay. But how exactly does not following lore in this regard negatively impact the server or the players?

3.b) Correct, I'm sorry if this seems a bit rude, but are you able to elaborate your point in this regard? Bounty Hunters current and previous, do not abide by this segment.

3.c) ISB do have an incredible amount of power in lore, as described in lore as "seemingly limitless authority", however on the server, that is no where near the case. ISB on the server don't hold that level of power, the level of power as to basically order around Admirals and Generals and basically just claiming Military Resources to deal with the Rebels. That seems to be why the ISB have always had a very extensive handbook, so people understand its authority and jurisdiction, otherwise if ISB had been given the other half of the power they would have, it would bring about a very heavy imbalance and probably would be abused if self restraints weren't a thing.

3.d) There have been a multitude of balancing changes to weapons and regimental loadouts, especially recently. There is now a Loadout script developed by @Twist and the balancing of weapons and grading of them done by various slaves hard workers of the development, staff and management teams. Most of which have been out for quite some time, but even then balancing changes still occur to individual weapons. Regiments are usually graded by their loadout in a few tiers. Some examples of S-Tier regiments would be Imperial Commandos, Death Troopers, Shadow Troopers, Inferno Squad, ARC Troopers etc. The majority of which are classified as squads on the server.

3.e) Yes, there are cases of personnel questioning the authority of the Empire, but usually they do it amongst their close peers who they trust, and those daring to defy the Empire express such questioning publicly. Doing either warrants a course of action if caught or witnessed. Stormtroopers were expected to follow every order of their superior, unless such orders were against the state (The Empire). Those caught questioning the authority of their Commanders, Colonels, Admirals or Generals can lead to a multitude of punishments such as Discharge from the Military, or sent for ISB Re-Education. Re-Education would have individuals basically brainwashing and drug infusion to make a subject more compliant to following orders, with speech and emotions being considered "off and disjointed" and re-assigned to a position with high oversight by COMPNOR. Effectively making it a Name PK and unable to repeat offences as that character.

3.f) There is work to updating certain elements mentioned here, Myself and many other members of High Command, @Boshi, @Jman1308 are working towards revamping the rules or guidelines, protocols, procedures surrounding sentencings. However, there are punishments for in-character actions because I don't believe in any capacity, someone would be relieved of punishment for murder, treason, sedition etc. It just doesn't make any sense that someone would be able to commit treason and not receive a reasonable punishment. In the Star Wars Universe, you only have one life (excluding Tenebrae), on the server that is best represented through NLR and or Character deaths for their actions or the situation surrounding the character. Those who do rebel roleplay, know and accept the risk they take and the consequences that will follow if they are caught. Some new players who tend to do such, do it in a manner which is considered "FailRP", an example of such I provided earlier, such as gaining Access to the Death Star plans or just magically knowing Palpatine is a Sith Lord or that Lord Vader is Anakin Skywalker. Attempting to ruin the experiences of others.

 

Pros & Cons of Serious/Semi Serious Roleplay

Spoiler

There may be some redundancy here, from some of my previous responses.

20 hours ago, Jay Lamar said:

Serious RP
Cons
-Severe punishments for breaking roleplay (30 minute+ jail times, re-education.)
-Serious RP tends to favour certain regiments over others as they are favoured in the lore (ISB)
-No flexibility in characters or RP, you must be a stormtrooper who follows the rules.

-Serious RP shuts down any friendly community activities amongst members if it is not within roleplay (Disco Nights, parties, poker tournaments.)
-One sided roleplay (If you do not wish to participate in certain RP you have no choice in the matter.)
-Certain roles and regiments cannot fulfil their role as in Serious RP it would make no sense. (Bounty Hunters)
-Certain regiments have difficulty finding players as their core role is potentially boring. (Imperial Guard, other guarding regiments.)


Semi-Serious RP
Pros
-More opportunities to have fun in or out of RP with fellow members of the community
-Less strict punishments gives a chance for players to try different kinds of rp without worrying to much about the punishments
-Downtime becomes less of an issue as players can more easily find ways to entertain themselves.
-Less of a cutthroat attitude as regiments/branches will no longer be out to get each other in RP as much.
-More events that play on the wackier side of Star Wars for a change of pace.
-Being able to opt out of RP that you do not find fun.


Cons
-Less Immersive and Rp can be broken more easily.

-Gives more of an excuse to mingy players to break the rules.
-For players who enjoy document RP it may lose some of its usefulness.
-Certain regiments may lose some of their RP as players will not be serious at all times.
-Players may not want to involve themselves with your RP.

Serious Roleplay
Cons
Severe punishments occur for severe offences.
Violating In-character rules, laws, protocols and procedures can lead to consequences. Such as someone trespassing, if caught, you're going to receive a punishment. a Severe punishment is issued by committing severe offences, or repeatedly doing light level offences and exceeding a set requirement such as the demerit system, which will bring about a harsher punishment than usual for actions.

You imply that a players character lacks flexibility in actions or emotions because they receive punishment for crossing in-character lines. If you are expected to follow such in-character rules, doesn't mean you are forced to do so. It's a risk element to breaking these in-character rules and not being caught. You do this because you have a desire to commit a crime, knowing it will result in punishment if caught, severe or not. People won't play on a server that doesn't enforce in-character laws, as people will just be killed randomly without reason, and I'm more than certain most situations which can be handled in-character will just be the result of Out-of-Character punishments instead of going to the brig or being issued severe punishments for your actions.

Hosting "Disco Nights, Parties or poker tournaments", isn't really appropriate on a Military vessel, but can happen without intervention by the big bad wolf "ISB", its the matter of roleplaying it correctly. If High Command wanted to host a ball of sorts, much like what was done by @Jman1308 not too long ago, it is entirely possible. It just requires the proper in-roleplay authorisation & approval.

One sided roleplay, by this you are probably referring to (Identification checks, weapon/uniform/bunk inspections, questioning or interrogations).
In ISB when it comes to performing such responsibilities such as Identification Checks, Bunk Inspections, the roleplay isn't exactly "one-sided", as it requires both parties to interact and the outcome isn't forced. For instance, ISB conduct a bunk inspection, ISB have our own internal rules surrounding roleplay situations and as such you shouldn't expect some ISB member to say for example "The Commander's office is filled with Rebel Propaganda" or "One of your troopers are in possession of a lightsaber". Identification checks are a given, you will always require an ID check when entering a restricted area, during or after an engagement to ensure we have no unauthorised personnel attempting to hide themselves amongst the crew. It's a roleplay element to confirm the identity of people in roleplay. There would be no case of someone knowing every single member stationed onboard a star destroyer of over 37,000 by voice, armour, squad / affiliation and so on.

I don't believe that changing the server from Serious to Semi serious will impact bounty hunters as much, the server is meant to be serious roleplay currently and bounty hunters have always been permitted to perform hits in accordance with server rules. What you say seems to imply that Bounty hunters cannot do such currently or are unable to because of punishments?

Royal Guards have been doing pretty well recently, at least in my opinion.

Semi-Serious
Pros
-More opportunities to have fun in or out of RP with fellow members of the community
What more opportunities would appear in roleplay? Out of roleplay I can only assume random-non star wars related events.

-Less strict punishments gives a chance for players to try different kinds of rp without worrying to much about the punishments
Punishments exist to keep people in-line with the Empire's ideology, protocols, laws and procedures. Otherwise people would be committing treason and getting away with it. Which in my opinion, would defeat the purpose of roleplaying apart of the Galactic Empire and security regiments.

-Downtime becomes less of an issue as players can more easily find ways to entertain themselves.
I view downtime as times of the day where the player count is either very low, or its just so late at night that roleplay is laxed and not taken seriously, which does happen currently. Otherwise downtime during Roleplay hours, can be during situations in bunks or the Mess hall where there is no actual roleplay presence on-going in those areas such as bunk inspections or mess hall roleplay.

-Less of a cutthroat attitude as regiments/branches will no longer be out to get each other in RP as much.
     
???
-More events that play on the wackier side of Star Wars for a change of pace.
We can still have wacky events, in fact, pretty sure every now and then we still do. Jawa's with Miniguns raiding the ISD when?

-Being able to opt out of RP that you do not find fun.
Seems like another way to avoid punishment besides disconnecting or suiciding, ultimately resulting in a warn. The idea of being able to opt out of RP you don't find "fun", implies that you are able to commit a crime, but then opt out of further involvement with that roleplay because you won't enjoy the aspect of being caught and punished. Ending roleplay so abruptly can be annoying at times, it typically ruins the flow for those involved, further taking them out of the experience. Something such as an ID inspection wouldn't even remotely require the need to opt out and if done in bunk inspections for example, you'd probably just get arrested for suspected hiding of contraband.

I mean, most other cases, if it doesn't violate any sort of outstanding order, protocol or procedure you could probably just walk away. Though in any defcon change, you are expected by basically everyone to do your duty. (if not afk, occupied with something more important or in a ooc situation such as a staff sit)

Cons

-Less Immersive and Rp can be broken more easily.
-Gives more of an excuse to mingy players to break the rules.
-For players who enjoy document RP it may lose some of its usefulness.
-Certain regiments may lose some of their RP as players will not be serious at all times.
-Players may not want to involve themselves with your RP.

Basically already summed it up.


 

 

One Sided RP 

Spoiler

 

20 hours ago, Jay Lamar said:

One Sided RP and my disdain for ISB and regiments like it
If it wasn't clear enough I obviously have a certain dislike for a certain Bureau on IG. But I would like to share my reason for it and explain something I like to call "One Sided RP." Essentially I find that a lot of the roles and responsibilities that ISB currently have tend to be roleplay that is only enjoyable for one party, that being ISB. For example ID checking, this roleplay does nothing for the person being inspected except shows that ISB has power over them and there is nothing you can do about it. Most times we are aboard an ISD travelling through space for weeks, there is almost no reason to suspect a trooper of having a false ID.

Another example, Interrogation RP. Some people enjoy this I do admit but I would say a large majority do not. This type of RP is usually not optional and leads to ISB employing tactics that make it unfun or unfair to the recipient (Leaving them in cells for long durations of time, threatening ooc punishments, forcing them to do mind numbing tasks. Using unbeatable truth Serum) The problem worsens when you have committed no crime or even worse yet, you are a rebel EC. The amount of times I have prayed that I do not get captured as an EC is immense as having to endure the latest ISB agent try his new british accent on me is a nightmare.

Roleplay is a two way street, both parties need to be having fun or atleast have turns in the dominant RP position. Why would I play this game if I had no choices in anything. I bring this all up as the current state of ISB is a side effect of Serious RP and the pushing of lore friendliness. I hope that if only one thing could be changed as a result of this post it would be that ISB would learn that you are rping with other human beings and not test subjects.

1. I would love to hear your reasonings in full in private messages. Perhaps, things aren't as bad as you think.

2. Though you're probably mean one of many things other than "ID Checks" alone. Identification checks are done by a multitude of regiments. Because it serves multiple in-character purposes. I've basically already covered this in previous points.

3. I don't believe that having your ID checked marks a regiment as having "power" over another, otherwise you imply that other security affiliated regiments and regiments who can take Identifications have "more power or control" over the others. It's an Identification check. Though you could probably use the example of loyalty evaluations, but that is roleplay for ISB, and it doesn't hurt to fill it out when called for. The existence of loyalty evaluations is simply as the name puts it, evaluating the loyalty of those who are being tested.

4. Questioning/Interrogation roleplay is simply a method of extracting information or intel to assist those conducting, In-Roleplay intel to complete an investigation or resolve a criminal case. I would agree a fair amount of people aren't likely to enjoy the experience, as its "boring" for those who don't want to engage in it. I can say that ISB and INQT have likely had been in possession of a few willingly eager and enthusiastic individuals who would take the being interrogated aspect to the extreme, usually by screaming when tortured. Players are usually left in holding cells for a multitude of reasons such as there are not enough personnel to interrogate all the prisoners, the detainees are either afk or refusing to speak which in most cases breaks roleplay.

mind numbing tasks is probably re-education, and that comes from committing certain offences, the number of repeated offences or meeting the demerit system quota.
I honestly, highly certain the last time "truth serum" was used was more than likely early 2019. If not it would more than likely be utilised on Event Characters. If you have examples and evidence of any instances or times other than the ones i have described, please let me know in private messages.

5. Roleplay is indeed a two-way street, but more often than not that can be ruined by people simply opting out or dropping things as is. It is understandable if something is voided within a valid reason, such as accidental /comms {message} or having held climb swep out and picked up a prop and having thrown it would fire a weapon is completely understandable. However the existence and purpose of ISB believe it or not is a roleplay avenue and way of keeping others in-check. People are more than capable of doing corrupt or rebel roleplay if they want, they will do so understanding and accepting that there will be consequences for such actions if caught. People will be punished for rebel roleplay, more than likely a character PK or full pk.

Those who are in ISB are also human beings, this is a roleplay community after all. We are a friendly bunch and I believe a lot of people just associate our in-character actions with our out-of-character personalities. Being able to keep your opinion of the in-rp actions of others in-character and not associate that with their OOC personality and treating others of the community differently for such isn't the right approach in my opinion.

 

Oh god.

  • Shocked 2
  • Thinking 1
  • Agree 1
  • Upvote 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

From my personal experiences with COMPNOR as a whole and being inside of it, I believe the vast majority of current and previous individuals being inside of COMPNOR have been doing their best to facilitate meaningful and proper roleplay without detracting from the reason as to their entire existence in the first place. All interactions in place are presumably done to help facilitate the interactions the Empire might have done, to serve and enforce law and security.

I am unsure on the lore methodologies being used but honestly I do believe all COMPNOR regiments have a good reason to be existent to the server and their exclusion and/or their mockery and detraction would hinder how things go.

Either way, as this community is mainly a Serious RP tagged server, upholding the jurisdictions of said server is paramount, regardless of it's possible negatives. I believe there is a community for everyone and for most people here (myself included, even if I may not know much about star wars generally) this one fills the niche that we may be after and we find great enjoyment in it, which is a great thing.

(also jesus @TheNegotiator you're trying to make me look like I can't write anything, even if I do wholly agree with legitimately everything in your post)

Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes
 

Spoiler

I like the serious aspect of the server, its pretty cool. But as an active minge that knows how to separate serious RP from having a bit of fun, i can understand both sides of wanting to change to a semi serious RP server. However, the way I see it is, people expect to be give roleplay, no one ever goes out of their way to make it and the moment its made, its swarmed by 30 people to lazy to make their own. If we want these "old age" moments, people must step up and find something fun to do. This can be expressed through Pac, private events, making RP with tools, organising regimental specific RP, that sorta gig. ( RIP the homie Binnlargo).  I for one, like to use pac to make some fun rp, doing fat pacs, getting megaphones in RP. Its upto you how you wanna do it. 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Was the server ever serious to begin with? If you look at any other proper serious roleplay servers (HL2RP, Text base Servers on other games) you'll find that the server is semi serious at its most serious times. I think a mix of both is fine anyway. Being able to mess around with your friends on Gmod is what its all about. I think people who demand that the server be serious at all times surely can't expect that to be the case and vice versa. Whether or not roleplay is serious should just be subjective to the situation at hand rather than what the server puts in its title. For example, engineers blocking all an area and causing a ruckus and pissing water all over the floor. That's not serious roleplay they're just having fun messing around, if someone comes in blows shit up randomly with no reason, who honestly cares but if its a serious conversation between lore characters and someone comes through messing up by acting unrealistically it will annoy people (Something I always strive to do).

I don't think the server needs a change in its title but I think people should just be aware of their surroundings and of the situation if they don't want to annoy people.

 

Quote


Those who are in ISB are also human beings, this is a roleplay community after all. We are a friendly bunch and I believe a lot of people just associate our in-character actions with our out-of-character personalities. Being able to keep your opinion of the in-rp actions of others in-character and not associate that with their OOC personality and treating others of the community differently for such isn't the right approach in my opinion

@TheNegotiator
A lot of people (Every regiment not just compnor) determine a lot of their actions against people by their OOC feelings. I'm no exception, Army/Navy and compnor are no exception. Everyone doe's it and its ignorant to assume that's not the case. 

Edited by Fredrick
  • Poggers 1
  • Upvote 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Fredrick said:

A lot of people (Every regiment not just compnor) determine a lot of their actions against people by their OOC feelings. I'm no exception, Army/Navy high command and compnor are no exception. Everyone doe's it and its ignorant to assume that's not the case. 

I think just about everyone does this, even if people try not to, also a lot of people's actual personality kind of soak into their ingame personality as well. This is why it makes it hard for certain people to differentiate those feelings of RP and OOC, especially when certain people are targetted by whole divisions of people because a higher up tells them to, etc. etc. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, firstly I gotta set the record straight, 'cause those are my boys

Spoiler
On 5/13/2021 at 11:06 PM, Jay Lamar said:

If it wasn't clear enough I obviously have a certain dislike for a certain Bureau on IG

Who hurt you my dude? You can't seriously expect us to believe it's because you got ID checked and had to sit through a few bad accents.

Any bad eggs were quickly removed from the batch and the active ISB in that 2 year period were all genuinely awesome people. Of course the people whose job it is to punish people will have reputations as fun ruiners, it just comes with the territory, but I find what you say hard to square with the realities of my experience. There was nobody who was malicious, or who enjoyed causing people to have a bad time. Being a dick to players was actively discouraged by me, since ultimately we are on the server to enjoy ourselves and being force RP'd into doing something tedious isn't fun.

That said, dealing with a player actively resisting the RP because they didn't want to take responsibility for whatever they got caught doing would leave us less empathetic. I guess some people never figured out you can just comply; flash your ID and be back to what you were doing within 2 seconds. If you want to make our jobs harder, more RP for ISB!

I was on your side most of the way through this thread until it randomly swerved into an ISB hit piece. Not sure what ISB ever did to deserve such passionate vitriol.

And with that out of the way, back to the topic at hand.

Honestly, some of the best and most memorable times I've had on this server have been either soft RP or outright mingery. There is a time and a place for serious RP, but you can't tell me that you want to stay in character all day and never have a laugh with the boys. The trick is to read the room so that your minging isn't ruining somebody else's experience by breaking their immersion. Oh, and don't minge in front of security regiments. They would be breaking character to not pull you up on it!

While the server has always been advertised as serious RP, we know in our hearts that there have always been OOC funnies happening in the privacy of bunks etc, and there always will be. I think the balance has already been found, which is to enjoy time on the server with your buddies in whatever way you and the people you're hanging with feel like at the time, so long as you aren't disrupting the experience of others or making it so obvious that staff take notice.

Anyway I'm completely inactive so take my opinion with a grain of salt

  • Upvote 8
Link to post
Share on other sites
43 minutes ago, Tonberry said:

Well, firstly I gotta set the record straight, 'cause those are my boys

  Reveal hidden contents
 

Who hurt you my dude? You can't seriously expect us to believe it's because you got ID checked and had to sit through a few bad accents.

Any bad eggs were quickly removed from the batch and the active ISB in that 2 year period were all genuinely awesome people. Of course the people whose job it is to punish people will have reputations as fun ruiners, it just comes with the territory, but I find what you say hard to square with the realities of my experience. There was nobody who was malicious, or who enjoyed causing people to have a bad time. Being a dick to players was actively discouraged by me, since ultimately we are on the server to enjoy ourselves and being force RP'd into doing something tedious isn't fun.

That said, dealing with a player actively resisting the RP because they didn't want to take responsibility for whatever they got caught doing would leave us less empathetic. I guess some people never figured out you can just comply; flash your ID and be back to what you were doing within 2 seconds. If you want to make our jobs harder, more RP for ISB!

I was on your side most of the way through this thread until it randomly swerved into an ISB hit piece. Not sure what ISB ever did to deserve such passionate vitriol.

And with that out of the way, back to the topic at hand.

Honestly, some of the best and most memorable times I've had on this server have been either soft RP or outright mingery. There is a time and a place for serious RP, but you can't tell me that you want to stay in character all day and never have a laugh with the boys. The trick is to read the room so that your minging isn't ruining somebody else's experience by breaking their immersion. Oh, and don't minge in front of security regiments. They would be breaking character to not pull you up on it!

While the server has always been advertised as serious RP, we know in our hearts that there have always been OOC funnies happening in the privacy of bunks etc, and there always will be. I think the balance has already been found, which is to enjoy time on the server with your buddies in whatever way you and the people you're hanging with feel like at the time, so long as you aren't disrupting the experience of others or making it so obvious that staff take notice.

Anyway I'm completely inactive so take my opinion with a grain of salt

BIG FACTS 

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

I like a mixture of both, where depending on the mood at the time you can be either or.

I think the server handles it well at the moment where the default is serious rp, but you can play semi-serious and risk IC punishments. In other servers they just deal with everything using staff sits, warns and bans.

I decided to stick to this server after how I was dealt with after I was messing around with grav gen and reactor in quick succession, went into hiding and had an admin approach me. I thought for sure I would be banned but they just wanted to know how I got from grav gen to reactor so fast and then left me to it, not ratting me out. I inevitably got caught by security and was interrogated, and decided to try to role play. ISB were somewhat playing along with my story (although it didn't work and I got executed) and I didn't receive a warn/ban or any other ooc punishment. It was actually pretty fun messing around as a Private ST because of this.

As soon as joining a regiment though I didn't really feel like I could do any of that anymore though, as there's the reputational repercussions (especially on the reg), but I usually have fun with other people being semi-serious and can't stand petty charges.

  • Upvote 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

Personally I'd say semi-serious RP, this is cause through my experiences the most fun times are the times when everyones just having a little fun.

An example of this, being one of my most favourite experiences which is what I like to call the "ashes nudes incident". So basically I was chilling out in shock bunks and was acting really sus on the computer located in the bunks, ISB ended up searching the computer without my permission and after a while I got asked by one ISB member if I could say what he found on the computer, me and ash thought it would be funny to say that he found nudes on the computer. Later down the line the next day ISB called me in for an interrogation and then the funniest and most entertaining interrogation I've ever been a part of. It did lead to a demotion but I'd say it was worth the fun. Another thing that was quite small lead to a pretty fun RP experience, although not very serious it was still entertaining. This was with my old salute bind, "chucks the laziest salute you have ever seen", the current tarkin at the time didnt really like it too much but played along, after getting increasingly mad at me every time he saw it, he finally demanded i get a re education from ISB. It was overall a fun experience even though it wasnt serious.

I kind of went a bit off topic rambling but in my opinion semi-serious RP does allow people to create opportunities for some fun and interesting RP, however having that hint of serious-RP in there at certain times to keep that nice bit of immersion in there is important.

  • Upvote 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
×
×
  • Create New...