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I am fully aware that I do not participate in the community all that much anymore, granted I still occasionally come on and play on the server whenever I am bored out of my mind; this is usually a rarity. However with my latest return to the server it came to my attention that ALL specialist equipment including but not limited to; Explosives, Jetpacks and Cloak are restricted on Ship, whilst it is a directive issued by Grand Moff Tarkin and an IC punishment, I believe restricting such things is absolutely restricting the overall functionality of a lot of regiments.

Whilst I entirely understand the use of explosives being disallowed on ship because we are on that; a Ship. I don't fully understand the other two, if anything you're stripping away some equipment that was entrusted to specific regiments for no reason, it seems that it is just banned period, without any expectations; previously if someone where to misuse such equipment they would be arrested and potentially removed from the regiment.

Previously you required permission to use such equipment on the ship, I don't see why this has changed from permission to straight outlawed on the ship. Additionally I talked to various people on the matter and it seems that everyone's opinions or knowledge on the matter seem to be skewed, all of STC I had asked seemed to believe that it was even outlawed off map during off ship operations, I clearly draw the line at the comment that I asked Jugger "If I shot and killed a bunch of rebels with an explosive on a foreign planet would I be arrested for Treason"
He simply replied to me "Yes, you will get set to recruit, I don't make the rules bring it up with the Grand Moff" It seems completely outlandish and silly to even restrict the equipment when we aren't even present on the ship, at that point you're fully stripping such equipment from regiments and making them glorified stormtroopers.


This especially doesn't bode well for anyone who has spent 2 MILLION POINTS on the smart launcher, or credits for the Grenade Launcher or Detonator. I believe we should return back to how specialist equipment was treated before, mostly going back to how it was restricted and only allowed to be used under the explicit approval of IHC. the Straight Outlaw of the equipment seriously inhibits a lot of regiments and the desirability to join them; I believe the most affected at the moment tend to be Sky and Shadow. 

If this is to be a permanent change to the server @Jman1308 At the very least you could allow people to sell their equipment back for a full refund otherwise they're a bit stuck in a manner of speaking.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this because quite frankly in my opinion it seems completely unacceptable.
I cannot even get a straight answer from anyone regarding what the actual regulations are regarding it. From what I can actually gather is it is an IC punishment; if you are caught using the equipment you'd be punished accordingly; it also seems like such a thing could encourage metagaming or perhaps NLR issues.

 

For the love of god, this is a discussion, I am not going to stand toxicity on the matter Please try and remain civil I'm looking at you..

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Hello Imperial Gaming I am fully aware that I do not participate in the community all that much anymore, granted I still occasionally come on and play on the server whenever I am bored out of my min

Hard agree. Y'all need to realise that even though it's supposed to be an RP server, you have to acknowledge the fact it's a game. Some of you chuds forget that we're not emulating the canonical

1 hour ago, Mongo said:

If this is to be a permanent change to the server

Pretty sure it's only for a week or two, maybe longer

Also it's on and offship restrictions

1 hour ago, Mongo said:

Please try and remain civil I'm looking at you..

Please stop looking at me, I've been civil

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2 hours ago, Shepard said:

Pretty sure it's only for a week or two, maybe longer

It's RP Permanent, it says on the board, on Floor 1.

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53 minutes ago, Storm said:

Someone decided to use an rpg in the reactor room and the ship went down btw since people are like that.

just saying it should be the reg that get the punishment aint the whole server coughs*

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35 minutes ago, DUCKY said:

I would Honestly want a answer on why shore troopers are not allowed sandbags but only concrete barriers on ship? x.x

To keep it lore friendly, because honestly where are you getting the sand from and when have you ever seen a sandbag fortification set up on a ship in starwars.

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1 hour ago, Yuri said:

To keep it lore friendly, because honestly where are you getting the sand from and when have you ever seen a sandbag fortification set up on a ship in starwars.

Hm fair point but with this argument where do you get the concrete from to make the concrete barriers we are allowed to make? x) there were never fortifications set up in starwars on ships i would say we need to balance the keeping lore friendly and this is a game ya know

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You two are derailing off of the topic of this thread, please take this discussion to PMs or to Teamspeak to prevent flooding with unnecessary replies, cheers.

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Hey to Asnwer this kind of  Mongo

After many already existing issues regarding people using specialist equipment without requesting permission there was an incident a couple days ago where at least 3 individuals (Not gonna name) took it upon themselves to ignore multiple orders to not use explosives inside the engine. They then proceeded to then cause a DEFCON I situation.  Tarking (Jman) then decided with all issues currently occuring with specialist equipment it was necessary to ban the use of specialist equipment.

To be honest this outcome would most likely not have occured if the 3 individuals didn't then decide to kill themselves in RP to avoid facing punishment. However, I am not against this outcome as it is showing people their equipment isn't just something they can use and abuse without consequences. 

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@Mongo As you know me, you know I have my reasons for things I do.

There has been instances of abuse from all listed specialist equipment, however, as Joel said, crippling the reactor was the last straw for me. By enacting the policy it forces my point across that actions will have consequences and allows me to pursue other methods in which are designed to prevent abuse. Methods which in-fact I have already meet with and discussed with appropriate Commanders and allowed Cloaks and Jetpacks to return to standard with certain assurances.

I'm not going to elaborate my entire decision making process and overarching plans for the proceeding future every time somebody asks why I do something. That's not how Military leadership works.

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3 minutes ago, Jman1308 said:

@Mongo As you know me, you know I have my reasons for things I do.

There has been instances of abuse from all listed specialist equipment, however, as Joel said, crippling the reactor was the last straw for me. By enacting the policy it forces my point across that actions will have consequences and allows me to pursue other methods in which are designed to prevent abuse. Methods which in-fact I have already meet with and discussed with appropriate Commanders and allowed Cloaks and Jetpacks to return to standard with certain assurances.

I'm not going to elaborate my entire decision making process and overarching plans for the proceeding future every time somebody asks why I do something. That's not how Military leadership works.

Simply I understand from the IC perspective of it, as I stated in the original post. I additionally understand if it was specifically for Onship, what isn't specifically inherently known is if it applies to OFF-SHIP / Off Map's aswell; not military base rotation maps, actual event maps. If that is also restricted to the same degree as the onship as it sort of inhibits a lot of functionality of regiments and individuals, if you are able to expand on the usage of specialist equipment during events and or off-ships that are not rotation maps that include a military base.

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The sign currently says the following what more do you want me to add?

 

Explosive Ordnance Prohibition

Under directive of Governor Tarkin, Explosive Ordnance is prohibited indefinitely aboard Imperial Starships.

Being in breach of this directive will result in a charge of Treason.

Specialist Equipment Alleviation

Cloaking Devices and Aerial Jetpacks are now standard Authorization

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9 minutes ago, Jman1308 said:

The sign currently says the following what more do you want me to add?

 

Explosive Ordnance Prohibition

Under directive of Governor Tarkin, Explosive Ordnance is prohibited indefinitely aboard Imperial Starships.

Being in breach of this directive will result in a charge of Treason.

Specialist Equipment Alleviation

Cloaking Devices and Aerial Jetpacks are now standard Authorization

Noted, I was unaware that a change had been made recently to the lawboard as at the time of making the post it said differently.

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1 hour ago, Jman1308 said:

That's not how Military leadership works.

Not to flame you directly or anything, instead to flame this line of text, its actually quite the opposite, people are encouraged to speak up about decisions made that they disagree with because of this fact. When people who are above them make decisions that could detriment them they are encourgaed to speak up and ask 'why' and get an explanation. That's how people learn and eventually climb the ranks, by figuring out why their leader makes a choice and learning from it. Lets not speak on military leadership when its an extremely complicated and beurocratic in nature and you've decided to make this decision (admittedly you said you spoke to Commanders and have given some stuff back) but I didn't want to just let that line slide.

If no one questioned orders or decisions we'd literally be the Empire irl, and even then, its a GMod Server, not an actual military, shouldn't punish everyone for two spuds.

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1 hour ago, Jman1308 said:

I'm not going to elaborate my entire decision making process and overarching plans for the proceeding future every time somebody asks why I do something. That's not how Military leadership works.

No, but its how an advisor or community leadership works, otherwise the community gets angry and people don't enjoy your server. Think there needs to be an understanding between understanding immersiveness and enjoyment,

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

If no one questioned orders or decisions we'd literally be the Empire irl, and even then, its a GMod Server, not an actual military, shouldn't punish everyone for two spuds.

Hard agree.

Y'all need to realise that even though it's supposed to be an RP server, you have to acknowledge the fact it's a game. Some of you chuds forget that we're not emulating the canonical representation of the Empire, we're just playing a game with the Imperial theme. 

This doesn't really help the post all that much but please for the love of god stop LARPing star wars. Shit like "b-b-b-b-but the Gwand moff" is cringe.

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26 minutes ago, cornelius said:

Hard agree.

Y'all need to realise that even though it's supposed to be an RP server, you have to acknowledge the fact it's a game. Some of you chuds forget that we're not emulating the canonical representation of the Empire, we're just playing a game with the Imperial theme. 

This doesn't really help the post all that much but please for the love of god stop LARPing star wars. Shit like "b-b-b-b-but the Gwand moff" is cringe.

This is facts, anything that makes people laugh is outlawed my friend.

Too many poor decisions have made this server unenjoyable. The amount of people who take "Serious RP" seriously is anything but the vast majority, you're a joker if you think otherwise. Whoever's making some of these changes to the server can't actually believe they're doing a good job when a good amount of the community complains about the same shit. You'll know you've made a good change when half the server pop isn't sat staring at a wall afk.

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7 hours ago, Yuri said:

To keep it lore friendly, because honestly where are you getting the sand from and when have you ever seen a sandbag fortification set up on a ship in starwars.

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Jmans words as Tarkin: "We dont want sand being tracked onto the ship" 
Fences are also banned when not for proper fence things 

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