Rank Rework

[Guskywalker]

 

Currently we have, in the works, an overhaul for the ranks on the server. While the image below only shows the military ranks, there will be changes to all ranks. In option 1 & 2, you may notice that if each colour indicated a clearance level then there would be 8 CLs (not including AA). With the new keycard system, we will be looking to also do an overhaul of the CL structure, so for the mean time, these colours only indicate different section gradings. Accompanying these changes will also be different promotion times, but untill we decide on which rank option we are using, such times will be subject to change.

Thanks to @Jman1308 for his work on this project.

The aim of these changes are;

- To add more lower ranks

- To rename ranks such that they are more inline with lore and they fit better with the "Base, Company & Squad" structure of the server.

- To decrease the promotion times for the first few blue ranks.

- To add progression for COs & 2ICs 

I encourage everyone to vote and ask questions/provide alternative rank names below.

- Gusky.

[Mauler]

Is option 3's Colonel and Lt Colonel not supposed to have CL4 (or rather cl7 by option 1/2 standards) ranks?

 

As to my opinion, a mixture between 1 and 4 is good.

 

On top of this, if option 1 does go through, other branch Clearance Levels will have to be adjusted.

Edited February 20, 2021 by Mauler

[Twist]

Colonel being an actual high rank as apposed to the standard CO rank along side captains through to major as commanding officers. The only problem I see occurring is the equivalencies during transfers and people getting upset with that as well their rank names being changed to something that sounds like its a lower rank.

Only thing to do next is abolish Clearance Levels  

[Hyperion]

I hope with the increase in lower ranks CL3+ rank capacities are decreased as a result as to give those positions greater value.

These changes are exciting to say the least, I hope the value of high ranking positions are held to a higher standard with the addition of more lower ranks, I am curious as to what @Guskywalker and @Jman1308 have in mind for all the other regiments on the server.

Edited February 20, 2021 by Hyperion

[Blade]

Can't wait to see what's going to happen with the other branches like ISB and Navy

[Bailey]

I'd beg we remove Private Second Class and put Specialist in below Corporal. Private Second Class sounds so bad to me imo, there's not actually a rank that

I also believe that Gunnery Sergeant is below Master Sergeant. Commander also being a lower rank than the actual CO of the Regiment has be wild.

This is kind of the setup I'm going for, to me it sounds better and has far more ranks in the CL1 and CL2 area, giving them hopefully more responsibility and more time to head through the lower ranks until they slow down at CL3. Even if you don't use my exact thing, I beg of you to replace some of the ranks I've said here.

Thanking you.

To me the CL1 ranks should be
Private
Private First Class
Lance Corporal
Corporal
Senior Corporal
Specialist

CL2
Sergeant
Staff Sergeant
Gunnery Sergeant
Master Sergeant
First Sergeant
Sergeant Major
Warrant Officer 2
Warrant Officer 1
Chief Warrant Officer

CL3
Lieutenant Junior Grade / Junior Lieutenant
Second Lieutenant
First Lieutenant
Lieutenant Captain
Captain
Major

CL4
Lieutenant Colonel
Colonel
Senior Colonel

CL5
Ranks currently as is.

[Guskywalker]

17 minutes ago, Mauler said:

Is option 3's Colonel and Lt Colonel not supposed to have CL4 (or rather cl7 by option 1/2 standards) ranks?

 

As to my opinion, a mixture between 1 and 4 is good.

 

On top of this, if option 1 does go through, other branch Clearance Levels will have to be adjusted.

@Mauler Option 3 would have the same CL strucuture as we currently have. LT col and Col would both be CL5.
Option 2 and 3 are already a mixture of 1 and 4
We have ranks for all branches but for the sake of simplicity we're using military ranks for comparisons. (The other thing that really differs in other branches are rank name)

[TheNegotiator]

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Vice Grand Administrator - CL6 

@Jman1308

Clearly... This is a change that needs to happen. IHCA anyone? Regional Government comeback?

Honestly, I hate the sound of "Gunnery Sergeant", though not much you can do to replace that name.

[crofty]

1 minute ago, TheNegotiator said:

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@Jman1308

Clearly... This is a change that needs to happen. IHCA anyone? Regional Government comeback?

Honestly, I hate the sound of "Gunnery Sergeant", though not much you can do to replace that name.

yeah gunnery sergeant in something like MT wouldnt make sense

[SCHEFF]

From what I see, this achieves the following things:

-  It places a larger focus on the lower ranks, with added progression, and is realistic when considering the assumed rank structure of the Empire, full of grunts and lower ranking officers and such. The server currently focuses on high ranks with little progression, so this would be a refreshing change.

- It increases the *feeling* of progression with more clearance levels, even in the higher ranks. Moving up a CL (as they are currently treated) *feels* like a big upgrade, even if isn't necessarily one. In my eyes, the difference between a Major and a Lieutenant Colonel, as per our current ranks, feels substantial, and it would be good to have that feeling more.

- It introduces a much easier naming scheme with distinct conceptions of where a rank would lie. The only problem with the suggested names is ranks such as "Sergeant Major", "Gunnery Sergeant" and "Staff Corporal", as they are the only ranks that, in my opinion,. are not clear in where they lie in name. I suggest these ranks are either removed or renamed.

- There will be a tip in the balance of command. As there are more lower ranks than compared to higher ranks, a greater focus should be placed on commanding officers to manage all of these lower ranks and prove their worth in a high position. As progression is built up, a more fleshed out and capable commanding officer can rise, and current commanding officers should be assessed to see if they can handle this.

 

Also to reply some other comments:

27 minutes ago, Twist said:

The only problem I see occurring is the equivalencies during transfers and people getting upset with that as well their rank names being changed to something that sounds like its a lower rank.

I do see this as a problem, but its a short term issue that will be overshadowed by the benefits this new structure will give. It will take time to adjust to a new system.

5 minutes ago, TheNegotiator said:

Regional Government comeback?

No.

Edited February 20, 2021 by SCHEFF

[Crispin]

nice work jman and gusky

[Bailey]

29 minutes ago, TheNegotiator said:

Grand Administrator - All Access

Ahh, time to rename General Administrator and come back as All Access! kekw

[yeff]

58 minutes ago, TheNegotiator said:

Grand Administrator - All Access
Vice Grand Administrator - CL6 

@Jman1308

Clearly... This is a change that needs to happen. IHCA anyone? Regional Government comeback?

Honestly, I hate the sound of "Gunnery Sergeant", though not much you can do to replace that name.

Bring back reg gov and I will show you the highest level of rp ever seen.

[Boshi]

@yeff no one wants you in a commanding position again

1 minute ago, yeff said:

Bring back reg gov and I will show you the highest level of rp ever seen.

other than that, some rank names are absolute dog water (most have already been listed by others, not gonna repeat)

all in all, sounds dope

[yeff]

6 minutes ago, Boshi said:

@yeff no one wants you in a commanding position again

wtf 😭😡😭😡‼️⁉️‼️

[LimeStrider]

Ok so. Assuming option 1 is put into place. (Which it seems like it will from the votes) how will the rank transfer work. Will you be put in line with the = position on the same line? Will people be demoted then unable to be promoted? What does this look like for command structure and rank limits for Squads and regiments? For e.g. 

 

Me as a High Colonel which will then no longer exist. Am I force demoted and then unable to regain my rank because of being in a squad? Do I transfer along the line as shown by the green? Or am I put down such as the blue? Were are the limits then placed? And as a squad of 4. What happens to my 2IC is he able to now become CL4? Such as him being a major and then becoming a Captain with this possible change?

 

Also the questions of does this now add more HP boost with CL rank ups? Whats the new cap for specific people like squads and a company? 

 

All I'm saying is to suggest this ATM there are a lot of questions. And feel that if it was better explained or show it would lead to better choices. 

(Also for the love of God can I get past HCOL)

 

Edited February 20, 2021 by LimeStrider
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[LimeStrider]

Also what rank can a Heavy and support then go up too?

[Jman1308]

@LimeStrider

To answer your questions.

On our finalization of the option selected there will be a chart which outlines the standard rank transfer from the old system to the new system (in some cases this may be different depending on peoples unique positions) along with updated capacities posted and other important details. We cannot proceed with any of the latter until we have finalized the general option we are going with.

At the moment we are looking at making it so the Battalion CO will cap at "Colonel", the Base Regiment CO "Major" and the Squad/Company CO "Commander" whilst the 2IC have the progression opportunity to cap at "Captain". (Remember that transfer your transfer may be unique depending on your position but there will be a standard chart posted later in accordance to this).

In regards to your HP question, that is still being determined due to the concurrent changes to the keycard and clearance system that are in progress and will possibly affect how people view what is known as "CLs".

Heavy and Support will most likely be the NCO segment from "Junior Sergeant" to "Senior Warrant Officer", however is subject to change with another possible system being looked into.

 

[Setsuna]

9 hours ago, TheNegotiator said:

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Vice Grand Administrator - CL6 

@Jman1308

Clearly... This is a change that needs to happen. IHCA anyone? Regional Government comeback?

Honestly, I hate the sound of "Gunnery Sergeant", though not much you can do to replace that name.

well I mean the only known use of the title was for storm trooper recruitment so eh

[Ragnar]

22 hours ago, TheNegotiator said:

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Vice Grand Administrator - CL6 

@Jman1308

Clearly... This is a change that needs to happen. IHCA anyone? Regional Government comeback?

Honestly, I hate the sound of "Gunnery Sergeant", though not much you can do to replace that name.

[Binny]

With the addition of more ranks for Commanding Officers, their capped rank being at colonel for base regiments. Does that mean that the 2IC’s of the base regiment  have the opportunity to achieve ‘commander’?