DeeDee

The Current Situation with SCAR

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So as it seems SCAR is currently kicking up a bit of dust here on the forums, with talk of TF-99 and pac apps suddenly flowing in from us. So before my intentions are carried away by people with pitch forks or my words are twisted, let this be my thoughts on the matter.

- I have no intention of forming SCAR exclusively in TF-99, nor do I really wan't a  designated sub-reg (The current situation with the LUA coding makes it unlikely that this will happen).

- SCAR will be as I have made it so far, a climb-swep skill based regiment priding itself on discipline and training. TF-99 will not be taking any form of priority in my work to re-establish SCAR in this community.

- I'd like to implement TF-99 as follows. SCAR members with access to pac3 would be allowed to use their lore characters as they please, however when doing so must stay in character to some degree. Load outs do not need to be permanently set, I'd rather the situation be that I as the Commander hand out the special weapons and equipment sole during events or training (With EM Permission). 

- I would also like to rework the lore of SCAR, currently we are operating on a custom lore anyway, so if anything this is bringing it closer to legends canon. TF-99 is to be the elite unit of SCAR , working along side those of us without PAC3, SCAR will continue to utilise their current load out while accompanying TF-99.

- I have seen chatter of people being against the sudden surge of Pac apps from SCAR, I ask those people to understand that these members are new to pac3, and will likely only be utilising the outfits we give them that are pre-made. They will also be gaining high degrees of training from experienced PAC3 users such as myself, Kamelion and Fear to ensure they are properly taught how to enhance there role-play experience.

- In regards to Fear's "Zuke" pac, there has been a lot of talk about it being Laggy, this however is a myth, we have done testing of FPS while Fear uses his pac, and there is little to no difference (You lose more frames by looking toward MH1/MH2).

- I am NOT Asking for a lightsaber as Kreel, while I would like to say that I could properly utilise it solely for RP, the last Kreel abused this privilege, and thus Kreel will not be equiped with a Saber, even if rest of TF-99 receive specialist load outs.

-As far as TF-99 currently extends, we have 3 active PAC users including myself in SCAR. We alone form Shrap (Kamelion) Zuke (Fear) and Kreel (DeeDee). We currently also have Mic and Misty PAC outfits on standby for when we gain more pac members, thus leaving us to finish up with Cav and Aero pacs for the future.

Thank you for taking the time to read my statements, I thought it necessary as the current Commander of SCAR to make my opinions and intentions clear to the whole community, as there has been a lot of speculation lately.

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At this point I have put together a document outlining the specifics of TF-99, including load outs and rules. I have done my best to ensure I am providing a viable idea for the implementation. For example, of all 7 members, only Cav will have access to cloak. I have also set the primary weapons of all members to an e-11, aside from Kreel. Kreel's speciality being a lightsaber is unavailable, hence the weapons carrying over from the normal SCAR load out. I have also included a set of rule for members of TF-99 to help ensure we are kept in check, and don't cross the line of overpowered.

Side note: Aero has a batca injector in this load out, as a pilot his role is minor and clashes with pilots, while being a medic he is able to support TF-99 while they are deep behind enemy lines, or high up on cliffs that regular medics would be unable to follow. 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QBwofbrg9ixjorpWnK-p8OEj3y_YsdVN5AjdmQkRBok/edit?usp=sharing

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I can respect all and agree with some of the points presented in this thread but I have a couple of points that I want to give my opinion of and perhaps present a solution to it...

 

25 minutes ago, DeeDee said:

- I have no intention of forming SCAR exclusively in TF-99, nor do I really wan't a  designated sub-reg (The current situation with the LUA coding makes it unlikely that this will happen).

Wolf is taking steps to rewrite the entire LUA coding for all of the regiments on the server. This allows an incredibly easy addition of TF-99 as a sub-regiment if it were to pass.

27 minutes ago, DeeDee said:

- I'd like to implement TF-99 as follows. SCAR members with access to pac3 would be allowed to use their lore characters as they please, however when doing so must stay in character to some degree. Load outs do not need to be permanently set, I'd rather the situation be that I as the Commander hand out the special weapons and equipment sole during events or training (With EM Permission). 

This is restricting TF-99 to PAC3 users, which has been criticised in past threads about it. A permanently set, coded job for each lore character will allow all members, whether they have PAC3 or not, to access all SCAR jobs, which should be something we should all push for. Restrictions imposed within a regiment due to user status will not increase its appeal.

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1 minute ago, Chef said:

This is restricting TF-99 to PAC3 users, which has been criticised in past threads about it. A permanently set, coded job for each lore character will allow all members, whether they have PAC3 or not, to access all SCAR jobs, which should be something we should all push for. Restrictions imposed within a regiment due to user status will not increase its appeal.

The Only reason TF-99 is restricted by PAC, is because PAC is the only way to correctly portray TF-99 in a semi-lore friendly way. If we were to take that away from it, the the purpose of TF-99 is completely dissolved as it becomes nothing more than an amped up squad that serves no purpose other than to be OP. Should the exception to current pac3 regulation be that TF-99 Members without Tier 1-2 may use the outfits we develop for them, then things will obviously be different. However as it stands, no pac3, no TF-99 

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4 minutes ago, DeeDee said:

The Only reason TF-99 is restricted by PAC, is because PAC is the only way to correctly portray TF-99 in a semi-lore friendly way. If we were to take that away from it, the the purpose of TF-99 is completely dissolved as it becomes nothing more than an amped up squad that serves no purpose other than to be OP. Should the exception to current pac3 regulation be that TF-99 Members without Tier 1-2 may use the outfits we develop for them, then things will obviously be different. However as it stands, no pac3, no TF-99 

I have just had an idea. There can permanently coded jobs which will have access to the outfits which will be available on Pointshop, which means everybody who wishes to play as a lore character can even if they do not have PAC3. This also means that there does not need to be micromanagement on each lore character having their weapons given to them, it will be simple.

However, for this to work, it will have to be made sure that players who are not in the jobs cannot access the outfits, which I personally know is an issue with the current implementation of it. I believe Pointshop is being updated and fixed and hopefully some restrictions can be implemented once it is open to be used again.

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8 minutes ago, Chef said:

However, for this to work, it will have to be made sure that players who are not in the jobs cannot access the outfits, which I personally know is an issue with the current implementation of it. 

Not to mention the fact that our pacs are ever changing and mostly still developing. Making this quite hard to properly implement.

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I'd like to ask who this 'older kreel' is, he seems quite the wildcard, and has left the regiment in quite the predicament.

I love that you're willing to respond to the sudden influx of complaints and questioning voices. And how you're taking steps to further improve scar. Good luck my man.

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Can you lot just create one post. 3 topics in 24 hours about SCAR seems completely unnecessary. 

My motto with all things is , as chef knows, "Work vs Reward". How much work does the management team, development team or a user have to put in for how much reward to the server as a whole. If it has High Amount of work with zero reward for the server then how is it fair on other users.

- No one has talked to the management team recently about TF99 being used.

- Using Lore characters opens up a whole new can of worms when it comes with dealing with issues of members (I.E. PKs), Previously they were used as we had highly trusted members of the community utilising the positions, Not saying the current ones aren't but it still hasn't been discussed formally.

- Giving out custom weapons to members of regiments in my eyes then needs to go above EMs for approval as you are basically giving a specific regiment an unfair advantage over other regiments by giving them OP abilities on top of their normal loadout. 

- It is unfair on staff to have to give weapons to SCAR Members constantly, then it begins the argument of "Oh but this EM gave them to me" etc.

- Zuke's PAC does create FPS Drop. Mine personally was 15 FPS as soon as I TPed him to me. This truely can not be tested until you have a large amount of people firing in a confined space on a map that creates lag already. I have pointed out to Zuke multiple times that he needs to reread the rules of PAC3.

For all other users no special treatment will be shown to members of SCAR when it comes to PAC applications. The user as an individual will be judged by the community and staff, Regiment association and the "I need PAC because i'm in SCAR" will not be considered.

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21 minutes ago, Whitey said:

Can you lot just create one post. 3 topics in 24 hours about SCAR seems completely unnecessary. 

My motto with all things is , as chef knows, "Work vs Reward". How much work does the management team, development team or a user have to put in for how much reward to the server as a whole. If it has High Amount of work with zero reward for the server then how is it fair on other users.

- No one has talked to the management team recently about TF99 being used.

- Using Lore characters opens up a whole new can of worms when it comes with dealing with issues of members (I.E. PKs), Previously they were used as we had highly trusted members of the community utilising the positions, Not saying the current ones aren't but it still hasn't been discussed formally.

- Giving out custom weapons to members of regiments in my eyes then needs to go above EMs for approval as you are basically giving a specific regiment an unfair advantage over other regiments by giving them OP abilities on top of their normal loadout. 

- It is unfair on staff to have to give weapons to SCAR Members constantly, then it begins the argument of "Oh but this EM gave them to me" etc.

- Zuke's PAC does create FPS Drop. Mine personally was 15 FPS as soon as I TPed him to me. This truely can not be tested until you have a large amount of people firing in a confined space on a map that creates lag already. I have pointed out to Zuke multiple times that he needs to reread the rules of PAC3.

For all other users no special treatment will be shown to members of SCAR when it comes to PAC applications. The user as an individual will be judged by the community and staff, Regiment association and the "I need PAC because i'm in SCAR" will not be considered.

Bravo. /me claps

It is exposure that allows these kinds of issues to be properly looked at and discussed. I think we have done a pretty good job. :P

I propose a formal meeting with the Management Team, SCAR COs, MHC and other relevant members of the community as well as members who want to constructively contribute. Additionally, some Google Docs being written up to decide once and for all whether Task Force 99 is a viable addition to our server. I would love to be involved, especially in ways of content management like in the way I have been doing already.

I know I have literally no power in the way these meetings are held but as this is an issue debated and discussed on proposals, I thought why not? :P

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43 minutes ago, Chef said:

I propose a formal meeting with the Management Team, SCAR COs, MHC and other relevant members of the community as well as members who want to constructively contribute. Additionally, some Google Docs being written up to decide once and for all whether Task Force 99 is a viable addition to our server. I would love to be involved, especially in ways of content management like in the way I have been doing already.

Sounds like a plan

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@Chef & @DeeDee,

I have added it to my queue of work in Trello and it will be addressed when the time comes. You will have to both write up multiple sustainable options to be assessed by the management server that are fair, achievable and does not create a biased towards SCAR.

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